When this season started, I said that I did not believe it would end with Anderson Varejao playing for the Cavaliers. The reasons I thought so were because it is in the Cavaliers best interest to acquire first round draft picks, and that a number of teams would be willing to include such picks in a trade package for Andy. I also didn't think, at the time, that any other veteran on this Cavs team could be traded for a first round pick this season either. But it is starting to seem like maybe Ramon Sessions can be. If he eventually is, I'm to the point with Anderson's All Star performance this season, that I wouldn't see any reason to move Varejao at all then if that first rounder can be acquired through a Sessions deal.
It's obviously not a sure thing that a team will eventually trade a first round pick for Ramon, but there has been a lot of talk about that lately. This week began with Adrian Wojnarowski's report about the Lakers interest in Sessions, and while Woj didn't specifically say that the Lakers were willing to give up a first round pick in exchange, he did indicate that such compensation would be Cleveland's asking price for their back-up PG. The Los Angeles Times since reiterated the Lakers interest in Sessions, as well as that first round pick the Cavs would be looking for, but stopped short of saying LA should trade a pick like that to Cleveland for him. Then today, the New York Post said that the Knicks are also interested in Sessions, and that the Cavaliers would be looking for either a draft pick, cash, or a young player at another position in return.
That Post report went on to note that the first round pick the Knicks could trade isn't until 2016 though. While I'd be looking for a 2012 first rounder specifically if I were Chris Grant, and definitely not interested in cash or either of the two players NY was talking about, that 2016 pick - while four years later than what Cleveland needs right now - is still a first round pick. The Lakers, meanwhile, currently hold a top-20 protected pick in 2012 they received from Dallas, in exchange for Odom, as well as their own. They're sitting with the 8th best record in the West right now, at 13-9, and if I had to guess they'll finish this season with anywhere from the 21st to the 25th pick in the first round come June. I'd also bet, at this point at least, that Dallas will eventually finish out of the lower 20, and LA will end up with two 2012 draft picks at about the same spot; call it the 22nd and 24th pick overall this summer, or something like that.
There is the Dwight Howard issue, and maybe LA holds onto those picks for him, but their PG position is horrible right now. If Mike Brown doesn't want to maybe get run out of town in year one, he might need to really push for the "get better immediately type move" that Sessions would afford him. As opposed to waiting to find out whether Dwight is cool with living out the rest of his NBA life as Shaquille O'Neal 2.0 or not. The Knicks could also get pretty desperate if Baron Davis doesn't actually come back reincarnated as a young Oscar Robertson and save the franchise from the humiliation of their continued awfulness single handedly too. In that case, it's possible they bring a third team in and somehow exchange that 2016 first rounder for the same type of pick next year in a three-way deal with the Cavs for Sessions. Theoretically, maybe, possibly.
Ramon Sessions really could get traded for a first round pick in 2012 though, is generally what I'm first saying here I guess in mentioning all that. The second thing I'm saying is that if the Cavaliers can head into June of 2012 with their own first round pick, and maybe a mid / late first rounder acquired through such a trade, I think that would be enough for year two of the rebuild. You then head into that second season with Kyrie Irving having developed a relationship playing one full season alongside an All Star Center possibly in Varejao, along with Tristan Thompson, whoever else, and a couple young rookies out of a particularly deep draft class. I think you're right where you need to be in a situation like that.
So while I know there is a whole lot more to the trade Anderson Varejao debate, and I understandnd the Wall Street mentality of selling high, I just think that acquiring a first rounder by way of this possible Sessions trade could go a long way towards deadening the talk of trading Andy. Assuming the Cavs would even consider such a move right now. There's plenty of reasons to keep Varejao around, and if quality, young assets can be acquired another way, than I say let the guy play out at least the rest of his contract right here in Cleveland.
1st round draft choices yield disappointment in huge dosage.
Potapenko? Eyenga? Luke Jackson? Shannon Brown? Dajuan Wagner?
JJ Hickson? Trajan Langdon? Derek Anderson?
Ilgauskas, 15 yrs. ago, and Andre Miller in '99 were the last # 1 picks to impact the team other than the two # 1 picks overall, Lebron James and Kyrie Irving.
Giving up a good player is not worth a # 1 gamble unless it is from a team likely to finish in the bottom 6 or so in the standings.
And those teams won't trade.
Contending teams have nothing to offer for Varajao, Sessions, even Casspi,
Gibson, Gee or Jamison.
"Best player in the NBA?"
As part of a team, no way in the world.
Lebron scored 24 and ended with a highlight, windmill dunk in the 1st quarter against the Bucks the other day.
Heat led by 16 at the end of the quarter.
Bucks, 9-11 going into the game, without their best player, won the next three quarters and won the game.
Lebron had 40, but Bosh, who had been playing well without Wade, scored only 9. Wade had 23.
James's game has severe problems that hurt his teams' ability to coalesce.
Varajao, when inserted into the starting lineup, helped the Cavs to one Finals, and to another season where James collapsed or else the Cavs would have
been there again.
Without Varajao, but with both Bosh and Wade, James has shown again it is
his game that needs reworking.
Check the Cavs record without AV the past 2 years.
Heat should win it all this year, but that in no way reflects poorly on Andy, but
may indicate that James has finally learned how to play the game, or has deferred to Wade and Bosh.
The Heat, if they can find a way under the cap to do it, should go all out in pursuing Anderson Varajao.
The Cavs should resist and refuse.
Varajao makes every player on the Cavs play better than they would otherwise.
Without him, this team will lose repeatedly.
You don't trade people who make others better.
Lebron James tried to help other players, but didn't have the court sense or ability to do it. He was a one-on-one player, and still is.
Varajao is the one player you do not trade.
He covers for Kyrie's slow feet, he covers for Antawns bad knees, he covers for
Casspi's bad passes, he covers for AP's lost physical skills, and then he helps the 2nd teamers.
The strange thing is that people are finally beginning to appreciate some of what he does, but they still don't get all of it.
Pause your DVR's, watch things develop in slow motion, and watch this
gifted athlete dominate half-court.
What would you take for AV? I wouldnt want nothing below a lottery pick if we get one i would pull the trigger on the deal.How to get it? While i agree that his Value might not exactly be worth a high draft pick, but like you said all it takes is a GM to give more than his worth.Enter the Nets and Magic.The Nets really want Howard they are depserate for him, meanwhile i think Orlando would start to be getting fed up with the situation. Trade AV and Brook Lopez to the Magic, Howard to the Nets, Cleveland gets the Nets first round pick and the Magic's first round pick and Turks bad contract.Any other season no one would deal this trade but the Magic beleive they are going to contend for the playoffs this season so why worry so much about the pick plus they are getting rid of Turks contract and getting a frontcourt tandem that could be really successful.The Nets do the deal becuase they are depserate to get Howard and once they do their core of Williams, Brooks and Howard would be in place.The only sticking point is Salary matching. We could also take mehmet Okur and trade Antawn Jameison to the Magic. Orlando gets an expiring contract instead of Turks contract, we get a big capable of spreading the floor.
@nastynate184 thanks Nate
@RealMYoung23 I'm assuming you don't agree with that article then?
@StepienRules Brendan like the read but if rumors are true and can get a 1st this yr and either Evan Turner or OJ Mayo, cheesesteaks for AV
@StepienRules #Cavs also have NOLA's second rounder which could very well end up in the top 35 this year.
Mate he is averaging huge numbers, the guy is going fantasic. Every player has a bad game throughout the season.es he has had some trouble in the clutch but it wouldnt be Verajao that would step up for the team to take over when Lebron is struggling. INy opinion while heart and hustle is fantastic, he has hit his ceiling and wont get any further. If the goal is to make it to the playoffs, the conference finals, the NBA finals we need someone who can help Irving and that means averaging anywhere between 15 and 20 points a night. If trading Verajao can get us that player you really need to do it.
Anyway its been a good argument and i see how Verajao is valuable but I just see his value on a contending team not on a rebuilding one.
I dnt disagree with you that he is very important to the team. But you gotta think how you are going to make this team better. I am a big fan of AV but the fact is he was with the best player in the NBA for many years and still couldn't get them a ring. He is playing a career high this season, this is his peak not his average how might be play next season? What makes you or anyone think he is going to keep this level of play up? If you can pull off the deal i suggested i think Cleveland should do it, one possible lottery pick and one pick likely to be 15 to 20. That would be huge.
@440shane thanks man. Wasn't sure what you meant about ET, OJ and cheesesteaks tho buddy
@musicman06 good point on that, really could be top-35 for sure.
@StepienRules next time I am at the Q I will introduce myself, I will be there Sat. I am a friend of Sarge's too we went to HS together.
@StepienRules if Cavs can get a 1st this year and Evan Turner from PHI, enjoy those cheesesteaks Andy. Or OJ Mayo w/#1 from MEM for Andy
@440shane oh I got you now on the PHI reference. And sounds good too man, talk to you then for sure.